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Here's some more hot garbage for everybody to read... from the paper that produces nothing but hot garbage. I've added a few thoughts...
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Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the New York State Legislature have already adopted a state budget that drastically cuts funds to schools and local communities — cuts that were far deeper than needed to balance the budget because of Mr. Cuomo’s indefensible refusal to extend a tax surcharge on New York’s wealthiest residents. Now they want to adopt a cheap political tool — a 2 percent property tax cap — that would only further devastate communities around the state that can least afford it.

Mr. Cuomo calls the proposal “a game changer.” He’s right. In the same way that Proposition 13 has ravaged California, a New York property tax cap would do huge damage to already struggling schools and the state’s long-term economic competitiveness. California’s education system was once the envy of the nation.(when it was republican controlled) Education Week now ranks it 46th for achievement in grades K-12, below Alabama and South Carolina. New York schools currently rank 8th. For how much longer?

Not surprising, the Albany politicians and business leaders championing the tax cap don’t like to talk about California. Instead, they point to Massachusetts, which capped property taxes at 2.5 percent in 1980. It wasn’t a happy tale there, either. Communities starved of needed revenues were forced to lay off teachers, police officers and firefighters and to shut libraries and senior centers.(funny they can never find anything else to threaten to cut -like a meter-maid. Doesn't have the same ring... does it ?)

Massachusetts schools suffered so badly that the Legislature had to pump in more and more state financing, especially to the poorer school districts.(Yeah... it was the tax cap and nothing to do with socialized medicine bankrupting Massachusetts)

Mr. Cuomo and other backers insist that communities will still have a choice. The cap could be overridden by a vote of 60 percent of residents in the tax district. (Whatever happened to a simple democratic majority?) Wealthier taxpayers may well vote that way, especially to maintain good schools. It is far less likely to happen in the poorer districts.

When New York’s politicians go on about how New York fails to draw businesses because of high taxes, even they must know that’s ridiculous. Taxes generally rank behind education, infrastructure and other criteria when businesses decide to relocate and invest. Employees and bosses want to know about the schools. Business owners want to know if there is an educated work force. No public services? Who wants to move or work there? (Says the guy that has never even run a hot-dog stand)

Let’s be clear: A tax cap is nothing more than a political crutch for politicians who don’t have the courage to argue the case for more taxes or for spending cuts.

Mr. Cuomo, the Legislature and local politicians have to make the tough decisions to raise revenue and wrestle down personnel costs, streamline services and rationalize costly state mandates.

Property taxes in New York are undeniably high. But a tax cap is not the answer. It is an invitation to disaster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/opinion/26thu1.html?_r=1&hp
 

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NY. and Calf. schools are run by the libs maybe they should look at that before they worry about taxing the rich so they can have pretty schools.
 

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"Property taxes in New York are undeniably high. But a tax cap is not the answer. It is an invitation to disaster."

yeah! your right! It is an invitation to disaster, to politicians basing their spending on the FLAWED concept that you have an unlimited bank account based on raising taxes


your right a 2.5% tax cap sucks, a 1% max increase per year based on the 1990 tax levels and retro billed at that far lower increase level would be far better, once the politicians find they are forced to work on a budget based on realistic income levels vs just spending like drunks then flipping the bill on the property owners things should change, yeah! we might need to have lay off! lets start with reducing anyone on the city pay roll thats not doing anything constructive out in the field that has a salary over $70K by what ever percentage it takes to balance the budgets
thats right! drop everyone back to what they paid in property taxes in 1990 plus 21% and make the politicians budget based on that!
we need water,sewers.cops, firemen and emergency services, but most of the other stuff can use serious trimming

property taxes are legalized EXTORTION, the governments basically saying, you worked long and hard to own property, now that you have it were going to randomly assess a percentage of its value as a COST to property owner, that WE DEMAND you pay or we will confiscate your property that we have no right to!
remember they already taxed your income, they already tax damn near everything else,but they are still greedy , every year they want an increased percentage of what you own.
 

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When will the leftists come up with something more original than "We're going to have to lay off teachers, cops and firefighters". That's the first thing they always threaten, because they want to bully us into their way of thinking. There are many other ways to cut, but they don't scare the public as much. They should realize the public is on to their strategy and is not falling for it.
 

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The author of this article is out of his mind. we already pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. the county I live in is like number 3 or 4 in the country, of highest property taxes. Yeah we need to pay more... :lookinup:

aside from being just an idiot, the author of parent lead does it know of what he writes. In 2008 or 09, then governor paterson, past a millionaire's tax taxng the highest 2 percent of wage earners in the state. it was projected to raise 4,000,000,000 dollars in revenue. how did it work? it actually cost the state 2,000,000,000 dollars. because, many of those millionaires left the state taking all of their tax revenues with them. patterson has since admitted it was a mistake.
 

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The current NY school system costs, that have been in place, are among the most costly and wasteful in the nation.

Maybe that's where we should look for solutions?
 

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Here's a novel idea. What if we asked teachers, cops and firefighters to do what the taxpayers who pay their salaries are doing: live on less. I don't know what teachers in NY make, but I'll bet it's a heck of a lot more than my daughter-in-law makes teaching in a tiny W. Texas town. She makes about $34k/yr. I'm guessing NY teachers make $60k+ and have phenomenal benefits. Good for them, but what about virtually everyone else who is doing worse now than they were 4 years ago? It's time for some realignment in public employee reimbursement. It's painful, it's no fun, but at some point you have to quit choking the taxpayers in order to maintain the status quo for public employees.

P.S. Found this online:

NY's average teacher salary is highly likely to be within the range of $58,106 and $66,712 and most likely to be very close to $59,000, not the $55,181 reported by the NEA. By a wide margin, this puts NY's ranking in 1st place, not 5th (including the District of Columbia, which ranks 2nd).

The same article says that NY teachers make $8500 more than the national average AFTER figuing in cost of living.
 

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P.S. Found this online:

NY's average teacher salary is highly likely to be within the range of $58,106 and $66,712 and most likely to be very close to $59,000, not the $55,181 reported by the NEA. By a wide margin, this puts NY's ranking in 1st place, not 5th (including the District of Columbia, which ranks 2nd).

The same article says that NY teachers make $8500 more than the national average AFTER figuing in cost of living.
Teachers in Ny do very well. It might take them a while to climb the pay scale. They typically start out around $38 - 40k and can makes as much as $90k.

That is for tier 4 current hires. Their pension is calculated at roughly 62% highest average salary. They get great life time health benefits and their pensions are not taxed by the state (8.75%).

Tier 1 teachers, of which I doubt there are many left still teaching since that sunsetted in the late 70s or early 80s, would be making right around 100k and their pensions pay them 90% of HAS. Most tier 1s are retired but obviously would still be getting their pensions.

There are tiers 2 & 3 inbetween what the 1 & 4s get respectively.

Not a bad deal for them if you ask me. A bit hard on the rest of us since NY has shed so many private sector jobs over the years. Now every 1 in 6 people that get a paycheck in NYS work for some minicipality.... And some wonder why Ny is broke...
 
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