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Democrats aren't the only incumbents in trouble this November. With a crop of feisty, fresh-faced conservatives making noise in the House and a wave of Tea Party-backed newcomers determined to join them, senior Republicans could have a mutiny on their hands.

The gap between the old and new schools
of the GOP has become apparent as Election Day nears and polls show Republicans increasingly likely to pick up seats -- lots of seats.

Election guru Larry Sabato, at the University of Virginia, released new projections showing a possible 47-seat GOP pickup in the House. Gallup's latest generic poll showed Republicans with a 10-point lead over Democrats in the fall, the largest gap in 68 years.

The opportunity for a shakeup is ripe, but so is the opportunity for a makeover of the Republican Party itself.

"The Republican caucuses in the Senate and the House will change," Democratic strategist Kiki McLean said. "A dangerous place for Republicans to be is establishment leadership."

Establishment leadership likely were not thrilled to read about the contents this past week of the upcoming book being published by self-proclaimed "Young Guns" Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy -- three ambitious young members of Congress who've been heading up recruitment of other like-minded wunderkinds for the party.

Their book, "Young Guns: A New Generation of Conservative Leaders," is due out Sept. 14 -- a blueprint
for America in the same vein as the policy book then-Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released in 2008, only with the opposite prescriptions.

A summary in Politico.com based on an advance copy said House Republican Leader John Boehner is mentioned just three times in the book. House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence, R-Ind., is not mentioned at all, and other heavyweights like Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell are similarly disregarded.

A promotional video paid for by Cantor's political committee, set to inspiring music, looks like an introduction for the starting lineup of an Olympics dream team. The video bluntly depicts the authors as a different kind of dream team -- the future of the Republican Party.

"There is a better way and a new team is ready to bring America back," the narrator says.

Ryan, R-Wis., has attracted considerable attention in the Obama years as the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee. He's considered the policy wonk of the lot and played a big role laying out the economic argument against the health care overhaul at the height of that debate. He's also put out his own economic recovery blueprint, which he calls "A Roadmap for America's Future."

Both he and McCarthy, R-Calif., were named in a recent list of the top five most powerful House Republicans compiled by GQ magazine. (The list intentionally excluded those in leadership positions.) The list also included Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the oversight committee Republican notorious for pursuing investigations into whatever bothers him -- and more importantly, bothers Democrats.

The three "Young Guns" lawmakers lead a program of the same name through the Republican National Congressional Committee that identifies and supports select conservative candidates.

Boehner and Cantor, the House GOP whip, denied friction between them in an interview with Fox News in July following a report that suggested Cantor posed an upstart challenge to Boehner's command.

"This is nothing but high school gossip kind of reporting," Cantor said at the time.

"We work very well together," Boehner said, acknowledging differences.

Cantor also has said publicly that he would support Boehner for speaker if Republicans seize the majority.

A GOP leadership aide said Boehner is not worried.

The Republican leader has stayed consistently visible and relevant in recent weeks, driving debate during the congressional recess and challenging the Obama administration.

When Vice President Biden delivered a speech touting the stimulus last month, Boehner used his address that day to call for President Obama to fire his economic team. Other Republicans have since echoed that demand.

And before Obama delivered his Oval Office address Tuesday marking the end of combat operations in Iraq, Boehner delivered an Iraq war address before the American Legion convention in Milwaukee. He called for the president to avoid "arbitrary deadlines" for withdrawal in Afghanistan, something other Republicans repeated after Obama delivered his speech.

But sitting lawmakers aren't the only ones who could be waiting in the wings.

Some of the most prominent voices in the Republican Party this season are on the campaign trail, several on the Senate side -- Republican Senate nominee Marco Rubio in Florida, Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul in Kentucky and Republican Senate nominee Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania.

Chip Saltsman, former campaign manager for 2008 presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, cited all three conservatives in describing the new face of the GOP.

"We're seeing a different type of candidate," he said, noting that the resounding theme of their campaigns is fiscal conservatism, government restraint and job creation. "The country's just about had enough and I think that's why you're going to see a new face of Republican politics out there, and it's one of fiscal control."

He said candidates like Paul and Rubio would "lead that charge" in November.

Dozens of new Republicans could enter on the House side. McLean said the changing makeup could pose a serious problem for sitting Republican leaders.

"The most endangered incumbent this year is really John Boehner, the House Republican leaders, because I think as you see a lot more of the Tea Party candidates come into their caucus, when they go to their leadership elections, they're not going to stand with establishment leadership," she said.
 

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The Republican party could use a good enema. Quit tinkering with social aspects, quit playing footsies with the leftist democrats, quit sounding like a bad episode of SNL.

What the reps need to do:

Fiscal conservatism.. real conservatism.. not that Reagen horseshit. Reagen was a decent guy, did a decent job, but after Jimmy Carter, Michael Dukakis would have looked like a savior.

Social de-engineering.. quit playing politics with other peoples sex lives. Back the federal government up, closer to it's constitutional role, and get out of the business of engineering economic matters VIA race/religion/ethnicity.

Forcus on real security, borders, ports, etc. Stop all the bullshit do nothing "security" measures. Until a 12yr old girl or 80 yr old grandma gives them a reason, stick to inspecting the people who look and act like those who have a vendetta for the country.

Fix the friggin tax system, to where it does not reward bad behavior. Get rid of the IRS and go to a system that has a good chance of working. Fairtax.org

Get out the state's business. Let the states have power back. Rollback about 10 laws for every new law signed.

Pass term limits for the HOR & the Senate. Remove pensions/healthcare/etc. for all elected officials except the ones who are elected for the max terms.

Develop a real energy policy that maximizes use of our own resources.

Re-vamp the tax system to encourage businesses to operate and employ in this country. Let the rest of the world strive to meet our standards, instead of striving to lower ours to the rest of the world.

What will really happen... same old same old. Nothing new, the statist party will maintain control, just with a different faction leading the charge to the bottom, just at a slightly slower pace..
 

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I don't expect to fix 100 years of progressive bullshit in one mid-term election. But it's got to start somewhere, at some time. Better now than than later. We've to crawl before we can walk. We've got to change the way we think and act. We've got to go to a model of fixing ourselves first. No more cheating and lying to go to the top. Individual responsibilty is becoming popular. Let's see how far it takes us.

All the rest from above: :agree:
 

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If there is no difference in ideology... why even bother to change parties ? If you truly believe that last paragraph... and it is to be the eventual outcome -just vote Democratic and get it over with.

Personally... I don't believe you believe this, at all. I believe there has been an infiltration of the independent party, by both the left and the right. I'll give you the most obvious instance of this, as I see it -and why I disagree with Independents such as Ron Paul.

It is this countries moral obligation to defeat evil and tyranny the world over. Otherwise, we are no different then China or the former USSR. The same ideology of "stay out of other countries affairs" is what allows them to grow. It is embraced for one outcome... to diminish our ability to protect ourselves. Why would we need an army of such size and scope... if we need only protect out borders ? -will be the call of the leftist ideology. This charge is prevalent now, from the left and within your ideology. This ideology, left to it's growth... will surly be used to turn upon this nations citizens. This will open direct reason for collaboration with the UN... as the deciders of world laws and policies.. -the ultimate goal of the leftist ideology.
("equality for all" -is the primary goal of the leftist ideology... regardless of the claims of victimization of a predetermined group.. as reason and need of Constitutional amendment to protect and defend)

You stating that both ideologies are the same... shows how deep the infiltration has become. We do not aspire to the same outcome --regardless of the few shared attributes you may (or may-not) be able to highlight. Your list of laws and bills... IS what the right stands for... always has been. It is the left that wishes to infiltrate and confuse the issues for the explicate reason of putting forth the illusion of "the same" wants and desires for this nation. I used to espouse the conclusion that the right and the left wish the same for this country... I can no longer espouse this. Our wants and desires for this countries greatness... are in complete opposition to each-others, ideologies. One wishes freedom and liberty... -the very attributes that allow for out defeating evil and promoting freedom around the world... and the other wishes to regress to our former ruling by our betters... a king is desired !

We are not the same ! There will always be those that preform traitorous acts... to better enrich themselves. It is up to us... the people... to weed them out and replace them with quality stock that has our countries citizens in their best interest. This will take more time then many believe it will. We will be attacked, relentlessly -upon every transgression of our newly elected. Let us not be hypocritical... let us take away the very argument they espouse by agreeing to their removal. Let us hold them to the same hypocrisy in their choices. If not... I fear your charge of "sameness" will apply... and will suit those with a leftist view... with comfort.

God, Country, Family and Honor -has been given new breath -as principle in which to rebuild our country -empowering it's citizen, one again. Let us not waste this chance to advance these very essence's -that has allowed for our greatness... with charges of sameness.
 

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If there is no difference in ideology... why even bother to change parties ? If you truly believe that last paragraph... and it is to be the eventual outcome -just vote Democratic and get it over with.
Thats my whole point.. whether you vote for the crooks with a D, or the crooks with an R, you still have crooks running the game.

It is this countries moral obligation to defeat evil and tyranny the world over. Otherwise, we are no different then China or the former USSR. The same ideology of "stay out of other countries affairs" is what allows them to grow. It is embraced for one outcome... to diminish our ability to protect ourselves. Why would we need an army of such size and scope... if we need only protect out boarders ? -will be the call of the leftist ideology. This charge is prevalent now, from the left and your ideology. This ideology, left to it's growth... will surly be used to turn upon this nations citizens. This will open direct reason for collaboration with the UN... as the deciders of world laws and policies.. -the ultimate goal of the leftist ideology.
I agree for the most part with Ron Paul.. how much wealth, blood, sweat, tears is being the global police, really worth? And when we do go out and police, it's by a set of rules designed to prevent our true goal. The people making the rules we must adhere to, are the same people making the problems you are wanting to fix. And it's all in the name of one thing, destruction of the US as we know it. Deterrence is as good a weapon of defense, as first strike. Why do you think NK is left alone for the most part? They will use what they have and it will have a massive impact. Imagine our defenses built to a point that striking us, would result in the total annihilation of the aggressor. That is not a risk anyone would take, the cold war proved that.

You stating that both ideologies are the same... shows how deep the infiltration has become. We do not aspire to the same outcome --regardless of the few shared attributes you may (or may-not) be able to highlight. Your list of laws and bills... IS what the right stands for... always has been. It is the left that wishes to infiltrate and confuse the issues for the explicate reason of putting forth the illusion of "the same" wants and desires for this nation. I used to espouse the conclusion that the right and the left wish the same for this country... I can no longer espouse this. Our wants and desires for this countries greatness... are in complete opposition to each-others, ideologies. One wishes freedom and liberty... -the very attributes that allow for out defeating evil and promoting freedom around the world... and the other wishes to regress to our former ruling by our betters... a king is desired !
the right has nothing to do with the Republican party. The right is a silent majority that is clinging to the hope that the powers that be will allow them to keep some semblance of their "American Dream", while knowing full well it is not going to happen. The Republican party is at about the same point as the Democratic party was in the late 60's. I judge them by their wares, not their rhetoric. As for the Democratic party, it is so far off the charts to the left, that it can't be saved. But make no mistake, the Republican party is much further left than their rhetoric.

We are not the same ! There will always be those that preform traitorous acts... to better enrich themselves. It is up to us... the people... to weed them out and replace them with quality stock that has our countries citizens in their best interest. This will take more time then many believe it will. We will be attacked, relentlessly -upon every transgression of our newly elected. Let us not be hypocritical... let us take away the very argument they espouse by agreeing to their removal. Let us hold them to the same hypocrisy in their choices. If not... I fear your charge of "sameness" will apply... and will suit those with a leftist view... with comfort.
The game is rigged against you VFP.. ultimately the RNC determines your choice, and if they don't like the electorates choice they will leave them flapping in the breeze, with little or no support. You do have a choice, but they determine what the choice is. The only fix is the systematic weakening of DC's control over the states. The states can fix it.. but I see no real signs of an attempt to do so.

God, Country, Family and Honor -has been given new breath -as principle in which to rebuild our country -empowering it's citizen, one again. Let us not waste this chance to advance the very essence that has allowed for our greatness.
I just don't think there are enough people at that point yet. Being a student of history, I have to pay attention to the trend lines. Apathy rules.. and as long as the middle class thinks it is holding onto something, nothing will change.
 

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Brother... The entire reason for my original post -was to show that the people are trying to make the changes needed in the stock of our representatives. 60+ years... has been devoted to the place this country stands now... a non-violent Civil War. God, Country, family and honor -have always been here... and prevalent in most of this countries citizens. The message has been hijacked. You have been made to feel ostracize... for espousing any of these founding beliefs. It is the ONLY reason for the illusion that we are the same. The attacks have come with greater virtuosity over the past 10 or so years. This is what the Tea Party is all about. This is why the Tea Party is so dangerous to leftism and progressivism. -and they know it.

We the majority... will take back this country ! We have already started. Our forefathers fought the very same ideology that we are fighting now. As a student of history... you must see this as an inevitable equation fought time and time, again. Each country has been tested by those espousing the ideology of equality. None have been so successful as this country... in demonstrating it's willingness to fight for liberty and freedom. We are not done fighting yet... we have only just now, begun.

Hang in there, brother. Our greatness is far from lost. Much pain to our citizens, will surly follow... but we will be better for it -and the natural balance of the majority living in freedom and liberty -will one once again rule supreme.

Do not lose faith in the majority ! Do not allow your espousal's to cause others -to lose faith !
 

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Brother... The entire reason for my original post -was to show that the people are trying to make the changes needed in the stock of our representatives. 60+ years... has been devoted to the place this country stands now... a non-violent Civil War. God, Country, family and honor -have always been here... and prevalent in most of this countries citizens. The message has been hijacked. You have been made to feel ostracize... for espousing any of these founding beliefs. It is the ONLY reason for the illusion that we are the same. The attacks have come with greater virtuosity over the past 10 or so years. This is what the Tea Party is all about. This is why the Tea Party is so dangerous to leftism and progressivism. -and they know it.

We the majority... will take back this country ! We have already started. Our forefathers fought the very same ideology that we are fighting now. As a student of history... you must see this as an inevitable equation fought time and time, again. Each country has been tested by those espousing the ideology of equality. None have been so successful as this country... in demonstrating it's willingness to fight for liberty and freedom. We are not done fighting yet... we have only just now, begun.

Hang in there, brother. Our greatness is far from lost. Much pain to our citizens, will surly follow... but we will be better for it -and the natural balance of the majority living in freedom and liberty -will one once again rule supreme.

Do not lose faith in the majority ! Do not allow your espousal's to cause others to lose faith !
Apathy VFP, Apathy. As long as the middle class feels they are holding onto something, they think they have something to lose. Sure, they will feel all warm and fuzzy inside if the Reps win back control.. but that warm fuzzy feeling is as fake as the $20 bill in your pocket. It's backed by nothing but lies, deceit and suffering.

And, even if you did "take the country back" what are you going to do with the lost generations who know nothing but big government? We have 1, maybe 2 generations that don't even have a clue about history.. you can read some of the posts in this room, and get a good understanding as to how dumb the "Educated Idiots" really are. They are real, they vote, and they will play upon the Apathy until the whole thing crashes down. :huh:
 

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Your read and my read of this nation... is in opposition. Apathy has turned in to concern and anger. I would venture to guess that there is far less apathy in this next election... then Reagan enjoyed.

And, even if you did "take the country back" what are you going to do with the lost generations who know nothing but big government? We have 1, maybe 2 generations that don't even have a clue about history.. you can read some of the posts in this room, and get a good understanding as to how dumb the "Educated Idiots" really are. They are real, they vote, and they will play upon the Apathy until the whole thing crashes down.
That was the "much pain to our citizens... will surly follow" part of my post.

Time will tell, my friend. :cheers:
 
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