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typical socialist tactics,:crazy: after the opposition looks like it may be gaining ground,propose something that sounds great,on the surface, LIKE REDUCING TAXES OR REDUCING GOVERNMENT WASTE!
make the details of how its to be done, about as practical as suggesting we eat our own kids to reduce strain on the environment , then blame the opposition for the insane idea THEY came up with that killed the other wise GREAT BASIC IDEA,and then suggest they were not at fault and were prevented from making any sane improvements, in the bill, because THEY were not in TOTAL CONTROL, ....IE, "its all bush,s fault" or "the electorate is composed of ignorant red necks who are just to stupid to see the long term benefits, how else can they explain how their great liberal socialist idea is not working" the object is to have the ability to scream about the opposition being the road block to progress!:laughing:

want to see liberals scream, and sweat blood!
suggest EVERYONE pays exactly the same percentage of income BASED on a universal mandatory 15% INCOME TAX, and in a federal 5% sales tax and a state 5% sales tax that replaces ALL CORPORATE TAXES,INVESTMENT TAXES,PROPERTY TAXES,INHERITANCE TAXES AND current INCOME TAXES
this gives total freedom to the people to run their own lives, and invest in their own business.
even recently DEAD LIBERALS will hit 500RPM spinning in their GRAVES, at the thought of lack of control over YOUR MONEY
 

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C'mon now. They have not even been sworn in yet and they are already backtracking on their campaign promises. Furthermore, they only proposed $100 mil in cuts during the campaign, so...

Same ****. Different day.
 

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Damn, and the left complained that the Pubs weren't giving Obama enough time at only 22 months. The new Congress is still 2 months away from taking office and the left is already pounding on them. :crazy:
It's been my experience, that the "intellectual" left doesn't really know that the new congress is sworn in, in January.. most of them think it's the wed after the election.. :laughing: And I don't think Dune read his copy/paste.. because the article is speaking of Obama's deficit commission.. :laughing::crazy:

It took Pelosi 4 years to spend $5 trillion, so I think cutting $5 trillion will take a year or 2.
 

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I have an idea, lets Vacation the Demacrates with out pay untill next year...
 

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I think they should take a percentage right off the top of the federal budget so everyone shares in the cuts.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_cutti...zZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNkZWZpY2l0cGFuZWw-


These are mostly increases to the tax payer....


or tax cuts for corps.....:huh:
Both your conclusions above ... are FALSE.


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C'mon now. They have not even been sworn in yet and they are already backtracking on their campaign promises. Furthermore, they only proposed $100 mil in cuts during the campaign, so...

Same ****. Different day.
Are you even in the same thread as the rest of us here?


Did either of you actually READ the article?


If you had, you'd have noticed that the article is discussing the recommendations of President Obama's Deficit Reduction Commmission.

Tsavo - what does the recommendations of this group have to do with the new Republican majority in the House?

And to answer your thread title, Dune (soooooooooooo ... where's the cut?), let me quote YOUR source ...

Dunes_Source said:
...a plan designed to cut total deficits by as much as $4 trillion over the next decade.
and with respect to increases in taxes, according to DUNES SOURCE,

Dunes_Source said:
For every $1 of new revenue, the plan demands $3 in spending cuts, and that was acceptable to panel member Tom Coburn, a Republican senator from Oklahoma. "If we do the cuts, I'll go for it," he said. "We may have to go for some revenues at some point."
A couple of highlights of the plan include ...

Raising the retirement age to 69 by 2075 (that's 65 years away for those deficient with numbers, so those affected by it aren't even in the workforce yet! - and THAT'S supposed to be controversial?!).

Elimination of many 'popular' deductions, like mortgage interest, offset by a maximum marginal income tax rate of 23%, replacing the current max marginal rate of 35%.

A gas tax increase of 15 cents/gallon

A freeze (3 years) on Federal employee wages and a 10% reduction in the Federal workforce

Elimination of earmarks


One thing I really like is this goal - not in Dune's Source - that calls for reducing Federal spending down to 21% of GDP from the current level of 24%. The lower proportion is significantly closer to the recent historical average for the US, and would assist in economic recovery.

The full Co Chair proposal (DRAFT) can be found here ...

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/CoChair_Draft.pdf

It isn't perfect - but it's a start.

Steven
 

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Both your conclusions above ... are FALSE.


Hey now.....


I said "Mostly"...based on my link....



And to others reading this thread....


Steve is correct about this being a bi-partisan thread and article. This has nothing to do with the new Republican majority in the House.





However......




I fully expect the same result after these people get sworn in next year.
And I fully expect the brunt of changes.....announced and unannounced yet.......to be mostly passed on to the tax payer as a burden, via lost deductions, tax increases, lost ss, medicare, or increased fees based on taxable goods or services.

Nomatter what party......
 

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A couple of highlights of the plan include ...

Raising the retirement age to 69 by 2075 (that's 65 years away for those deficient with numbers, so those affected by it aren't even in the workforce yet! - and THAT'S supposed to be controversial?!).

Elimination of many 'popular' deductions, like mortgage interest, offset by a maximum marginal income tax rate of 23%, replacing the current max marginal rate of 35%.

A gas tax increase of 15 cents/gallon
All of these are tax increases passed on to the american tax payer.

These are not really reduced govt spending.
 

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Most of the time the reason for a question like the title of this thread is so the dems can use there favorite weapon tell me where you are going to cut and I will tell you who you hate.
Medicare oh with do you hate old people farm supports you hate farmers
We cannot play this game any more the debt will destroy the country.
 

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interestingly enough...


"Among the proposed defense cuts: Freeze noncombat military pay at 2011 levels for three years to save $9.2 billion and reduce overseas bases by one-third to save $8.5 billion."



and...

"Soldiers, sailors and Marines received average compensation of $122,263 per person in 2009, up from $58,545 in 2000.

Military compensation — an average of $70,168 in pay and $52,095 in benefits — includes the value of housing, medical care, pensions, hazardous-duty incentives, enlistment bonuses and combat pay in war zones. More than 300 U.S. servicemembers have died this year in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"You have to have a good compensation package if you want to recruit and retain the best people," says Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez.

After adjusting for inflation, military compensation rose 84% from 2000 through 2009. By contrast, compensation grew 37% for federal civilian workers and 9% for private sector employees during that time, the BEA reports."




http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-08-16-military-towns_N.htm?csp=24
 

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All of these are tax increases passed on to the american tax payer.

These are not really reduced govt spending.
How many times has it been said that reducing the deficit will require both spending cuts and tax increases? I think millions of times. This particular bi-partisan recommendation is DOA because every inch of it will be protected by a few legislators to protect their constituents. But the dialogue has to start somewhere. Looks like a pretty good start to me, although I certainly don't like all of the recommendations.
 

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How many times has it been said that reducing the deficit will require both spending cuts and tax increases? I think millions of times. This particular bi-partisan recommendation is DOA because every inch of it will be protected by a few legislators to protect their constituents. But the dialogue has to start somewhere. Looks like a pretty good start to me, although I certainly don't like all of the recommendations.
Kay....


Now I will add partisan related comments....



How can you advocate raised taxes as a Republican/Tea Party voter that just took control of the voting majority with a campaign against raised taxes?
 

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Kay....


Now I will add partisan related comments....



How can you advocate raised taxes as a Republican/Tea Party voter that just took control of the voting majority with a campaign against raised taxes?
Mainly because I wasn't running and didn't make those promises. I have said repeatedly that I think some tax increases will be necessary to get the deficit down eventually. But I am totally against class warfare that pits one group against another and focuses increases on the rich or middle class. If there is going to be pain, it should affect everyone, and I mean everyone. Poor people can contribute to the solution too, even if the contribution is small.
 

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Mainly because I wasn't running and didn't make those promises. I have said repeatedly that I think some tax increases will be necessary to get the deficit down eventually. But I am totally against class warfare that pits one group against another and focuses increases on the rich or middle class. If there is going to be pain, it should affect everyone, and I mean everyone. Poor people can contribute to the solution too, even if the contribution is small.
So.... end result is a campaign lie by your party.
 

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So.... end result is a campaign lie by your party.
The Republican Party has one set of goals. This bipartisan comission has another set of goals. These are only recommendations. It's step 1 in a 1000 step process. Believe me, you will hear from plently of people from both parties blasting away at the details. You are acting like the Republican Party has endorsed this thing. They haven't.
 

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So.... end result is a campaign lie by your party.
The end result is, you made yet another bogus thread, with a misleading title, talking about 2 completely different things and tried to make a connection, and had another epic fail.

Blatantly false, as usual. You hit par once again. :cheers:
 
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