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When the camshaft and the crankfast sprockets are in line
6 and 12, where is the timing in ref to the dizzy?
 

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When the camshaft and the crankfast sprockets are in line
6 and 12, where is the timing in ref to the dizzy?
crank allways at 12, cam can be 6 OR 12......if at 6, it's #6 timing.....if at 12 i'ts #1 timing....

which is funny, as once I got it backwards, got lazy and notched the other side of the dizzy cap, flipped it 180 and hell with it.....

sometimes I disgust myself....
 

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crank allways at 12, cam can be 6 OR 12......if at 6, it's #6 timing.....if at 12 i'ts #1 timing....
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which is funny, as once I got it backwards, got lazy and notched the other side of the dizzy cap, flipped it 180 and hell with it.....:lookinup:

sometimes I disgust myself....
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crank allways at 12, cam can be 6 OR 12......if at 6, it's #6 timing.....if at 12 i'ts #1 timing....
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mrvette, If Im reading correctly what your saying, Thats wrong!
Crank gear @ 12oclock , Cam Gear @6 oclock Will fire the #1plug @TDC.
When the gears are installed @ 12 and 12 the #6 Plug will be @TDC and firing.
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crank allways at 12, cam can be 6 OR 12......if at 6, it's #6 timing.....if at 12 i'ts #1 timing....
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mrvette, If Im reading correctly what your saying, Thats wrong!
Crank gear @ 12oclock , Cam Gear @6 oclock Will fire the #1plug @TDC.
When the gears are installed @ 12 and 12 the #6 Plug will be @TDC and firing.
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Uh,no.
 

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Yes , and I was careful to say "If Im reading correctly what your saying".
so Apples and oranges Maybe??
Im refering to where 0* comes up on the balancer, after the timing gears, cover and Balancer are installed.
Example..if #1 is @TDC and firing , and the Balancer 0* mark is where its suppose to be on the timing Tab. Then if you removed the Cover you would see the Gears @ 12oclock 12oclock Just like the Drawing Says.
But Comp and Crane both mark their Cam gears to be installed with marks @ 12crank, 6Cam
Anyhow..So long as Darrow doesnt get:WTF over it :cheers:
 

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B2B, I dont think anyone is even confused. I think the confusion, if theyre is any , is this: When installing the timing gears The crank is at 12oclock and the Cam is at 6oclock. But that position puts the #6 plug @tdc compression stroke. The crank rotates another 180* to the 12oclock crank, 12oclock Cam, before the #1 piston moves to TDC compression stroke.
What can be confusing to the installer is looking in the timing cover and seeing the correct gear installation position(12oclock , 6oclock) and its "not" putting the # 1piston @tdc compression stroke, so they go ahead and install the gear at 12oclock, 12oclock which is 180* off.

Right now Im thinking that Im just making everything more Confusing. Obviously my description is not clearing anything up. And probably wasnt necessary to describe it like I did anyway.:WTF
Anyhow..cheers and Beers all:cheers:
 

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B2B, I dont think anyone is even confused. I think the confusion, if theyre is any , is this: When installing the timing gears The crank is at 12oclock and the Cam is at 6oclock. But that position puts the #6 plug @tdc compression stroke. The crank rotates another 180* to the 12oclock crank, 12oclock Cam, before the #1 piston moves to TDC compression stroke.
What can be confusing to the installer is looking in the timing cover and seeing the correct gear installation position(12oclock , 6oclock) and its "not" putting the # 1piston @tdc compression stroke, so they go ahead and install the gear at 12oclock, 12oclock which is 180* off.

Right now Im thinking that Im just making everything more Confusing. Obviously my description is not clearing anything up. And probably wasnt necessary to describe it like I did anyway.:WTF
Anyhow..cheers and Beers all:cheers:

You can't get any clearer then that!
thanks for all your in put. Darrow
 

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The most simple way to describe it is to forget about the #1 position and just install the chain so that the dots line up at either 6 or 12. Either is correct. Turn the crank over and over and the dots will line up in either the 6 or 12 position every time. This is valve timing only.

When it comes time to install the dist, then you worry about ignition timing only, and set the balancer to the tdc mark which will always be #1 tdc.

Keep the valve timing and the igniton timing as separate issues and there can be a lot less confusion possible.
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The most simple way to describe it is to forget about the #1 position and just install the chain so that the dots line up at either 6 or 12. Either is correct. Turn the crank over and over and the dots will line up in either the 6 or 12 position every time. This is valve timing only.

When it comes time to install the dist, then you worry about ignition timing only, and set the balancer to the tdc mark which will always be #1 tdc.

Keep the valve timing and the igniton timing as separate issues and there can be a lot less confusion possible.
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#1 on the balancer could be tdc or it could be #6...180* off. I always pull the plugs and stick my finger over #1 cylinder, turning the motor over with a breaker bar when I feel the compression push my finger off thats #1
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NO, the firing order is 43657218, and i'ts allways cyl #4 that fires first when starting the engine......:D :smack :WTF :crazy: :rolling: :cheers:
 

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Lets keep this going

If you were one tooth off what would happen?
 
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