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S. Fred Singer
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Nov 9, 2010

There is a revolution coming that is likely to burst the green global warming bubble: the temperature trend used by the IPCC (the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) to support their conclusion about anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is likely to turn out to be fake. The situation will become clear once Virginia’s attorney general, Kenneth Cuccinelli, obtains information now buried in e-mails at the University of Virginia. Or Hearings on Climategate by the U.S. Congress may uncover the “smoking gun” that demonstrates that the warming trend used by the IPCC does not really exist.

It has become increasingly clear that any observed warming during the past century is of natural origin and that the human contribution is insignificant. It is doubtful that any significant warming is attributable to greenhouse gases at all.

Once the public accepts these scientific conclusions, it should have immense consequences for policy. It will mean that the impact of rising CO2 levels is negligibly small, as has already been concluded by the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change), a group of scientists skeptical of the U.N.-supported IPCC. It would also mean that wind energy, solar energy, and other “non-carbon” energy sources are not needed and are in fact counterproductive. It would remove the need for alternative fuels such as ethanol (which might please many true environmentalists). It would also mean that carbon trading, cap and trade, and fanciful schemes for carbon capture and sequestration would all end up in the dustbin of history.

One may expect a huge outcry and serious and protracted opposition from those who have built their careers on global warming hype and who have made investments in alternative energy or are looking for immense profits from carbon trading. Yet the scientific facts must win out in the long run — even against the financial interests of favored groups, wind farm profiteers, ethanol refiners, carbon traders, and the investment firms and banks that have placed hundreds of billions of dollars of their clients’ money into green projects.

Nothing has been learned from European disastrous experiences, it seems. As Bjorn Lomborg (a firm believer in AGW) reports, Germany led the world in putting up solar panels, funded by €47 billion in subsidies. The lasting legacy is a massive debt and lots of inefficient solar technology sitting on rooftops throughout a fairly cloudy country, delivering a trivial 0.1% of its total energy supply. Denmark’s wind industry is almost completely dependent on taxpayer subsidies, and Danes pay the highest electricity rates of any industrialized nation. Spain has finally discontinued its solar subsidies as too costly; as Prof. Gabriel Calzada reports, the program actually caused a net loss of jobs.

Having successfully exploited domestic subsidies, Europeans are now looking at the United States as the new “land of opportunity.” A recent example (described in the Wall Street Journal of Oct. 26, 2010) is the world’s largest solar-thermal power plant, on 7,000 acres of Federal land in the desert of southern California. The $6-billion project is a venture by two German companies, and it may be eligible for a cash subsidy of nearly one billion dollars in taxpayer money. Even after these subsidies, the cost of the electricity generated will be 30 to 70 percent more expensive than electricity generated by natural gas, the dominant electricity-generating fuel in California.

In addition to direct subsidies, the companies are seeking federal loan guarantees and, no doubt, an array of benefits from the State of California. Solar Trust of America, a joint venture between Germany’s Solar Millennium AG and privately held (mostly by Arab oil money) Ferrostaal AG, is awaiting approval from the Energy Department for a federal loan guarantee for the first two of its four planned units. Deutsche Bank AG and Citigroup Inc. are working with Solar Trust to obtain project-equity and tax-equity investment.

The White House claims that the federal cash subsidy will create three hundred permanent jobs (at about $3 million per job!). The nature of the jobs is not specified, but one may assume that there will be much need for sweepers to remove dust and dirt from about 7,000 acres of solar mirrors. Not exactly “high-tech,” is it?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-green-bubble-is-about-to-burst.html
 

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300 jobs! Wow! That's almost as many jobs as there are Czars!

With $10 Trillion at stake, I don't see this going away easily, even if public sentiment changes. The sheeple just don't realize for whatever reason, they are being led by the nose...

The Story Of Stuff ... The Tides Foundation (author of the Health Care Bill), funded by...George Soros.

The river runs deep...
 

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Alex is more widely accepted than MSNBC or CNN now days... :thumbsup:
Not that I visit MSNBC, but I'm pretty sure they dont support the Communist Russian plot to infiltrate the american drinking water supply system with flouride to brain wash americans...."conspiracy theory"........:laughing:
 

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Not that I visit MSNBC, but I'm pretty sure they dont support the Communist Russian plot to infiltrate the american drinking water supply system with flouride to brain wash americans...."conspiracy theory"........:laughing:
Of course they do, or they'd report it. They're in with the Ruskies! :thumbsup:
 

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This is great n all that you guys are finally waking up to the act that the fed res and banks run the country, but yaall need to take sites like Prison Planet with a grain of sand, and make up your mind if it's the black man's fault or the evil fed res.


Pick one....:laughing:
 

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This is great n all that you guys are finally waking up to the act that the fed res and banks run the country, but yaall need to take sites like Prison Planet with a grain of sand, and make up your mind if it's the black man's fault or the evil fed res.


Pick one....:laughing:
I suggested you watch Beck today, your answer is there...
He even used a Sesame Street theme...puppets. You would have loved it.
 

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S. Fred Singer
Go figure...this guy is funded by oil companies.

Congresswoman Lynn Rivers questioned Singer's credibility during a congressional hearing in 1995, saying he had not been able to publish anything in a peer-reviewed scientific journal for the previous 15 years, except for one technical comment.
This is the same guy that denied that prolonged exposure to secondhand smoke cannot cause lung cancer. By the way, he was funded by tobacco companies when he made this claim.

Your boy is a joke. Research your source next time.
 

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Who's not funded by somebody? :huh:

This is the same guy that denied that prolonged exposure to secondhand smoke cannot cause lung cancer. By the way, he was funded by tobacco companies when he made this claim.
Did he make the claim, or just report the findings? :huh:

Your boy is a joke. Research your source next time.
He may be a joke, but what does it have to do with his info? Did you debunk any of what he said? Or just attack him for not being a member of the right "group"?
 

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Did he make the claim, or just report the findings? :huh:
A real scientist reports findings in a reputable journal, not conservative thinktank blog like prisonplanet.



He may be a joke, but what does it have to do with his info? Did you debunk any of what he said? Or just attack him for not being a member of the right "group"?
WHAT INFO?! There is no methodology to his research. There is no procedure/no experimentation. No materials/equipment used. No RAW DATA. No observations. You can't half ass the scientific method and only come up with a conclusion; he doesn't have anything to back his "findings". He is funded by big corporations who are threatened by a certain energy policy, he sings whatever tune the corporation wants him to sing as long as he's getting paid. This undermines his credibility. I'd bet every single one of my possessions that if some green corporation paid him big bucks to say that global warming is a real threat, he would do it.
 

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A real scientist reports findings in a reputable journal, not conservative thinktank blog like prisonplanet.
Al Gore?

WHAT INFO?! There is no methodology to his research. There is no procedure/no experimentation. No materials/equipment used. No RAW DATA. No observations. You can't half ass the scientific method and only come up with a conclusion; he doesn't have anything to back his "findings". He is funded by big corporations who are threatened by a certain energy policy, he sings whatever tune the corporation wants him to sing as long as he's getting paid. This undermines his credibility. I'd bet every single one of my possessions that if some green corporation paid him big bucks to say that global warming is a real threat, he would do it.
Al Gore?
 

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A real scientist reports findings in a reputable journal, not conservative thinktank blog like prisonplanet.





WHAT INFO?! There is no methodology to his research. There is no procedure/no experimentation. No materials/equipment used. No RAW DATA. No observations. You can't half ass the scientific method and only come up with a conclusion; he doesn't have anything to back his "findings". He is funded by big corporations who are threatened by a certain energy policy, he sings whatever tune the corporation wants him to sing as long as he's getting paid. This undermines his credibility. I'd bet every single one of my possessions that if some green corporation paid him big bucks to say that global warming is a real threat, he would do it.
In scientific publication, there are two types of articles, research articles and review articles. Review articles have no new data, but they bring together multiple other articles to combine what is knowna about a subject in one place. This article fits more in the review article class which is a totally repectable way to convey information. There's nothing wrong with trying to figure out if funding might have slanted the article, but simply naming the funder doesn't cut it. You have to combine that with evidence the article is wrong.
 

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What about him? Did I ever say Al Gore is the almighty holder of the truth?

No, I didn't.
 
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