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Are you involved in oil and gas drilling? commercial fishing? Coal Mining? Manufacturing? Obama has continually partnered with his green buddies to regulate these industries into extinction. Basically, Obama has a war on high paid blue collar jobs. He doesn't care about you. He only cares about his leftist base.
From the New York Post

"For all his talk of job creation, President Obama has targeted many occupations for extinction. Using unelected bureaucrats to implement a host of job-killing measures, his administration is generating piles of pink slips:
Oil: Even before the BP spill, Obama's Interior Department had cracked down on domestic drilling. In 2009, regulators allowed less than $1 billion in new oil and natural gas leases on federally controlled areas -- both onshore and offshore -- compared to $10 billion under President George W. Bush the year before.
Then, in response to the Gulf spill in April, Obama slowed down things even further, with a moratorium on deep-water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. That proved so unpopular that the administration officially ended it -- but it remains in force unofficially, as regulators bottle up drilling permits with red tape and delays, keeping workers idle. Most recently, Obama regulators placed the entire Atlantic and Pacific coasts off limits to drilling.



Factories: Rising regulatory burdens, energy prices and health-care costs -- Obama has left no stone unturned in making American manufacturing globally less competitive and in forcing jobs overseas.
For example, several new Environmental Protection Agency permit requirements have shut down the construction of coal-fired power plants needed to provide manufacturers with affordable electricity. Jeffrey Holmstead, a former top air-quality EPA official, noted that in 2009 the incoming Obama bureaucrats "withdrew permits that had already been issued," and that "dozens are being held up today because they have no way to meet a new standard that EPA has put out."
It will soon get worse. A barrage of new regulations, including measures intended to address global warming, will hit in January 2011 -- directly targeted manufacturers, and far more costly and complex than anything imposed by America's global competitors, like China, on their own industries.
Mines: The decades-long regulatory squeeze on minerals mining continues unabated, and the Obama administration has now added coal mining to the hit list. The attack includes global-warming regulations that seek to restrict demand for coal and also direct attempts to stop new coal mines from opening.
States that rely on coal-mining jobs are feeling the pinch. Joe Manchin, formerly West Virginia's governor and now its newest US senator, boasts that, "over the past year and a half, we have been fighting Obama administration attempts to destroy the coal mining industry." As governor, Manchin sued the EPA in an attempt to prevent the agency from blocking coal mines in his state. But Obama shows no sign of budging -- even though Manchin is a fellow Democrat.
Fishing: Obama's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is imposing strict fishing limits, even where there is little or no evidence of an overfishing problem. Its controversial catch-shares program is destroying jobs in such fishing communities as Gloucester and New Bedford in Massachusetts, both of which are challenging the program's legality in federal court.
And the White House's new Ocean Policy Initiative would place more burdens on a US fishing industry that is already heavily regulated. Bonner Cohen, senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research, fears that this scheme "circumvents existing state and local decision-making bodies and replaces them with made-in-Washington zoning with the power to declare areas off limits to fishing."
There's a common thread among these and other beleaguered occupations: Environmentalists hate them. Green absolutists would be happy to see no oil or coal taken out of the ground or fish out of the sea and as many factories dismantled as possible, without any regard for the impact on jobs. Instead, they hype "green jobs" doing things like building wind turbines and solar panels, but these jobs are proving to be a mere trickle compared to those being lost.
Radical environmentalists have all but declared war on high-wage blue-collar jobs in this country, and the Obama administration has sided with them. The nation's stubbornly high unemployment rate is evidence they're winning. "
Ben Lieberman is a senior fellow in envi ronmental policy with the Competitive En terprise Institute in Washington, DC.


Link: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_jobs_hates_oXIsAxVOBCZmFNzSlF6uJJhttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_jobs_hates_oXIsAxVOBCZmFNzSlF6uJJ#ixzz17LLRi6UG
 

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That's why the Gulf spill was as much a viable conspiracy theory for OBama as the WTC was for Bush.

Obama's war on terror, or er (overseas contingency operation) has taken a third or fourth place in his focus...

His primary goal as oulined in this article is his "War On Business", and it's going well... 9.8% uneployment...18% underemployed...$832 billion 'stimulus' that was nothing more than payback to Obama loyal special interests...

The article left out Andy Sterns on the jobs commision...what a joke.
 

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Yeah But the oil companys have Betrayed Americans

Example: During the Savings and Loan Scam

The oil companies decided to Bilk US citizens and industrie by raising gas to over $5 a gallon

Thats why products are so inflated today

Because The price of oil rose to well over $100 a Barrel

And the only reason they were able to get away with it is

because there was more cash in the economy due to

people taking second mortgages out on their house's

Limits have been put on fishing and such because BP oil

Ruined the entire southern coast of the united states of america, and alot of the fish coming out of that area is poison now,

Yeah, Obama is a Jerk and the Green Cause is a scam

It takes more energy to recycle most trash than it would than if you started from scratch

But make no mistake

The oil companies have done alot of damage to the US economy Due Greed and Wish to share a return with their investors on Wall Street:nuts:
 

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Yeah But the oil companys have Betrayed Americans

Example: During the Savings and Loan Scam

The oil companies decided to Bilk US citizens and industrie by raising gas to over $5 a gallon

Thats why products are so inflated today

Because The price of oil rose to well over $100 a Barrel

And the only reason they were able to get away with it is

because there was more cash in the economy due to

people taking second mortgages out on their house's

Limits have been put on fishing and such because BP oil

Ruined the entire southern coast of the united states of america, and alot of the fish coming out of that area is poison now,

Yeah, Obama is a Jerk and the Green Cause is a scam

It takes more energy to recycle most trash than it would than if you started from scratch

But make no mistake

The oil companies have done alot of damage to the US economy Due Greed and Wish to share a return with their investors on Wall Street:nuts:
:laughing: I thought it was evil "speculators" who drove up the price of oil. That's what most people said - and I think was a big part of it. But speculators are not oil companies. They are investment firms. Oil companies cannot just raise the price because they want more money. Producers can decide - like OPEC has done many times - to reduce production in order to raise prices on the market. But these tend to be government run entities, not private oil companies. This is misplaced anger. This type of anger allows Obama and his cronies to get away with job killing actions when they can frame "big oil" as the source of our woes. Oil has been phenomenally cheap all of our lives with the exception of the run-up of a few months in 2008.
 

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Yeah But the oil companys have Betrayed Americans

Example: During the Savings and Loan Scam

The oil companies decided to Bilk US citizens and industrie by raising gas to over $5 a gallon

Thats why products are so inflated today

Because The price of oil rose to well over $100 a Barrel

And the only reason they were able to get away with it is

because there was more cash in the economy due to

people taking second mortgages out on their house's

Limits have been put on fishing and such because BP oil

Ruined the entire southern coast of the united states of america, and alot of the fish coming out of that area is poison now,

Yeah, Obama is a Jerk and the Green Cause is a scam

It takes more energy to recycle most trash than it would than if you started from scratch

But make no mistake

The oil companies have done alot of damage to the US economy Due Greed and Wish to share a return with their investors on Wall Street:nuts:

Speculation from Wall street is what drove the price of oil to skyrocket. (Google it) There was no supply problems so how was the oil companies fault?
So I am guessing you ride a bike to work?? and your Vette is a hybrid?
You need to point the finger at Wall Street and Greed.
Obla Obla has stopped all drilling at this point. No new permits have been given. I am sitting on a Shell Noble rig ATM.Thats fine. Its going to cause oil price to increase because of the lag time to new drilling when the supply starts to dwindle. All the rigs will go overseas. This will hurt the coastal economy. These rigs spend 1 million dollars a day to run. They have started to go overseas.
 

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:laughing: I thought it was evil "speculators" who drove up the price of oil. That's what most people said - and I think was a big part of it. But speculators are not oil companies. They are investment firms. Oil companies cannot just raise the price because they want more money. Producers can decide - like OPEC has done many times - to reduce production in order to raise prices on the market. But these tend to be government run entities, not private oil companies. This is misplaced anger. This type of anger allows Obama and his cronies to get away with job killing actions when they can frame "big oil" as the source of our woes. Oil has been phenomenally cheap all of our lives with the exception of the run-up of a few months in 2008.
I am refering to OPEC, And The fact that Of course: Oil company's attempt to attract investors

It's all part of the Oil Shame

We have oil coming out of our ears:nuts:
 

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We have oil coming out of our ears:nuts:
Exactly! Which is why we pay more for bottled water than we do for gasoline. I say that makes oil companies the good guys. :cheers:
 

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Yeah But the oil companys have Betrayed Americans

Example: During the Savings and Loan Scam

The oil companies decided to Bilk US citizens and industrie by raising gas to over $5 a gallon

Thats why products are so inflated today

Because The price of oil rose to well over $100 a Barrel

And the only reason they were able to get away with it is

because there was more cash in the economy due to

people taking second mortgages out on their house's

Limits have been put on fishing and such because BP oil

Ruined the entire southern coast of the united states of america, and alot of the fish coming out of that area is poison now,

Yeah, Obama is a Jerk and the Green Cause is a scam

It takes more energy to recycle most trash than it would than if you started from scratch

But make no mistake

The oil companies have done alot of damage to the US economy Due Greed and Wish to share a return with their investors on Wall Street:nuts:
Bon, as some one in the buisness. You are full of **** on this one. If big oil controls the Market then why was West Texas Intermediate Crude $9.10 a barrel in Jan. 1999? Why was WTIC hovering in the $40 a barrel range in spring of 2009? I can tell you why its because it is an internationally traded commodity. The CEO of Exxon Mobil never gets up in the morning and says "today we are selling oil for $150 a barrel" It just doesn't happen. In fact only OPEC does try do do that and they still can't keep oil over $100 a barrel.


But please do keep up this attitude with "big oil" it only drives another American industry over seas and invites the Chinese to come in and buy the leases.:buhbye:
 

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When is my Sputnik moment coming???
 

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A year ago, all the discussions right here, were about the facts that we need oil independence and fossil fuel independence asap.

What has changed?
 

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A year ago, all the discussions right here, were about the facts that we need oil independence and fossil fuel independence asap.

What has changed?
Drilling moratoriums, everywhere? Lack of a regulation to protect our own resources for our own use? :huh:
 

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A year ago, all the discussions right here, were about the facts that we need oil independence and fossil fuel independence asap.

What has changed?
Well, we have reversed course on energy independence, we are setting up burdensome new regulation to help drive energy prices higher and we look like a banana republic on our balance sheet... our trade balances have went off the charts, gold is up 70% and the dollar is down another 30%. Unemployment has risen to a "proclaimed" 9.6% and the people on food stamps are lining up in record numbers.

Hope you got the Change you were expecting...
 

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Gas prices hit a 26-month high

Americans are getting a sour holiday surprise at the gas pump, where prices are the highest they've been in over two years. They may even hit a national average of $3 a gallon by January.

Although supplies remain plentiful and gasoline demand has diminished since September, retail gas prices are rising because oil prices are at the highest levels since October 2008. The two-week advance continued on Monday as benchmark oil for January delivery rose 19 cents to settle at $88.96 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. A stronger dollar kept prices in check for most of the session. Since oil and other commodities are priced in dollars, a stronger dollar makes them more expensive for buyers who use other currencies.

The national average for a gallon of regular gasoline was $2.958 on Monday, according to the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration. That's about 10 cents higher than a week ago and 32 cents more than a year ago.

EIA said drivers in California pay the most, at an average $3.216 a gallon. Regular averages $2.802 a gallon in Gulf Coast states. Pump prices in major cities range from $2.669 a gallon in Denver to $3.241 in San Francisco. Gas stations in New York City charge an average $3.077 a gallon for regular. It's $3.066 in Chicago, $3.050 in Miami and $3.139 in Seattle.

"The U.S. has never spent Christmas with a $3-a-gallon average price for fuel," Oil Price Information Service said. The national average now is the highest since October, 2008, according to OPIS, and if oil prices linger near $90 a barrel, it could reach $3 before the end of the year, several analysts say.

"We're within spitting distance right now," said Stephen Schork, an energy analyst and publisher of The Schork Report. "Whether we get there by the end of the year or by the end of January, as far as consumer's concerned, we're there already by a psychological standpoint."

For every penny the price at the pump increases, U.S. consumers pay an additional $4 million, according to Cameron Hanover energy analysis agency. The 10-cent a gallon increase from a week ago cost consumers about $40 million. On an individual basis, a motorist who bought 10 gallons of gas Monday, on average, paid about $3.20 more than a year ago.

Schork expects energy demand to waver with prices between $2.90 a gallon and $3 a gallon. If oil reaches $100 a barrel, retail gas prices will be around $3.30 a gallon or higher, which would be a "significant obstacle" for motorists, he said.

In other Nymex trading in January contracts, heating oil lost 1.17 cents to settle at $2.4757 a gallon, gasoline fell 1.04 cents to settle at $2.3417 a gallon and natural gas rose 13.9 cents to settle at $4.488 per 1,000 cubic feet.

In London, Brent crude added 3 cents to settle at $91.45 a barrel on the ICE futures exchange.

Let the games begin!!!!!! No local drilling = Higher Prices.
 

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Well, we have reversed course on energy independence, we are setting up burdensome new regulation to help drive energy prices higher and we look like a banana republic on our balance sheet... our trade balances have went off the charts, gold is up 70% and the dollar is down another 30%. Unemployment has risen to a "proclaimed" 9.6% and the people on food stamps are lining up in record numbers.

Hope you got the Change you were expecting...


Maybe I mistated my question.

Between 2008 and the summer of 2010...
We had hunderds of posts by most of us here in the newsroom stating that we cannot continue with fossil fuels and we need energy independence.

What has changed?

We all admitted we need non-fossil fuel alternatives...

suddenly somewhere along the way during Obama's green push...
we threw the baby out with the bath water.
Why?

Sure we still need to keep drilling.
That's not my question.
 

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Man, if your not familiar with the news of the last 24 months.. this is no place to try and rehash it all.. :laughing:
sidestep.....

no answer given....

(BTW, This is usually what I write when I can't admit I'm to lazy to read for myself and don't really know the issues at hand.)
 

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sidestep.....

no answer given....
Not a sidestep.. your just either too lazy or too dumb to know what you have been reading for the last 2 years. Do a search on new energy regulations.. then post your conclusion. I stand behind my original statement that we are moving backwards on energy independence, through regulation and non-issuance of drilling permits.

And if your still clinging to the green pipe dream, google the solar factory Obama touted in his pitch for the screwusmuch stimulus. The green economy and green energy pipe dreams are dead..
 

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Not a sidestep.. your just either too lazy or too dumb to know what you have been reading for the last 2 years. Do a search on new energy regulations.. then post your conclusion. I stand behind my original statement that we are moving backwards on energy independence, through regulation and non-issuance of drilling permits.

And if your still clinging to the green pipe dream, google the solar factory Obama touted in his pitch for the screwusmuch stimulus. The green economy and green energy pipe dreams are dead..

Take anything fossil fuel related out of the question and re-apply the question.
 

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Take anything fossil fuel related out of the question and re-apply the question.
No matter how much you guys would like it, fairies aren't coming down to hand us a magic energy device. This is a fossil fuel world.. and it will be until that fuel runs out, about 2000 or so years from now.

As for the green energy, it's a pipe dream. If it would work, entrepreneurs would already be hitting the market with it.
 
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