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David H. Koch in 1996. He and his brother Charles are lifelong libertarians and have quietly given more than a hundred million dollars to right-wing causes







so this is who is bankrolling Palin's.... Second......Politics 101 classes....:thumbsup:




"A recent article in The New Yorker revealed that the organization Americans for Prosperity is funded by the billionaire brothers Koch. The organization has provided tee shirts and talking points to Tea Party activists who remain unaware of the wealthy backers of the purportedly grass-roots movement. Surely if the Brothers Koch were as strongly in favor of prosperity for Americans as they are for themselves, they would keep the tee shirts and share the wealth.

It may be a bit unfair to say that the Koch's do not share the wealth. They certainly contribute to some noble causes. Museums and ballet companies benefit from their generosity. They have hospital wings named after them. So, they do contribute huge sums of money, albeit to causes and institutions that their lower working-class political lackeys would consider frivolous.

The Kochs are arch libertarians. They embrace an Ayn Rand world view, according to which the fact that they inherited a fortune and parleyed it into a larger fortune proves them more worthy than others of status, power and influence. That they are able to manipulate the poor, the desperate, the frightened proves their entitlement to do so. That they have the means to steer the political system to their selfish ends is proof that they should. If deregulation serves their empire, they will fight for deregulation regardless of who or what their unregulated endeavors will harm. If maintaining and improving their position requires that they convince the poor to loudly protest against their own social safety net by vilifying it as a socialist entitlement, then the billionaire Koch brothers feel they are entitled to do so.

By holding a stealth position behind an organization that seems to be a wide-spread and populist one, the Koch brothers strive to continue concentrating wealth and improving their political leverage. To do this, they deliberately frighten the most manipulable fringe of the conservative spectrum, the undereducated, the overly religious and the fiscally oppressed. The only way to continue building their leverage is to increase the number of undereducated, overly religious and disenfranchised citizens.

The real grass roots members of the Tea Party have become easy fodder for Comedians. Interviews on site at Glenn Beck's recent rally have spread virally across the internet as laughably inarticulate protesters prove themselves incapable of civil discourse that transcends the most inane mouthing of slogans and epithets. I think, though, it is time for us to stop belittling and begin educating. It is time to deprogram the vast number of desperate people whose energies are being utilized to further causes that will only harm themselves.

The Kochs see the poor as stupid people to be used as fodder in their own crusade for increased profits. As long as we who disagree with them continue to attack members of the Tea Party as fools, we only serve to polarize and entrench them, supporting and furthering the work of our political adversaries. We must engage and embrace individuals.

We must seek to enlighten and educate.

It is time now for the left to remind the poor, the uneducated and the desperate that it is we who fight for their ability to prosper, to learn, to excel. When the hoarders of wealth at the top of the Republican Party and it's Randy sisters the Libertarians call us elitists, we must point out that even our the wealthiest and best educated among us seek only to raise everyone to the highest possible level. When the wealthy seek to hold onto their own tax breaks saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats," we must point out that these are the words of people who can afford boats. When corporate-backed politicians urge us to free the corporate profit-machines of regulation, cheerily reminding us of Reagan's trickle down economics, we have to ask, time and again, whether anyone has ever really enjoyed being trickled on.

The Tea Party is made up of energetic Americans who care deeply about their country and their own prosperity. Sadly, their vision is clouded, their ability to reason impeded by decades of misleading language, corporate disinformation and distorted debate. Rather than continuing to attack and belittle our fellow Americans, let us invite them all up to the moral high ground with outstretched hands and open arms. There is a chance -- though I cannot claim certainty on this -- that the truth might set us free."



"Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice. David Axelrod, Obama’s senior adviser, said, “What they don’t say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens’ movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires.”

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer#ixzz10DyDDwZm

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/opinion/21tue1.html?src=tptw

The Brothers Koch and AB 32Published: September 20, 2010
. Four years ago, bipartisan majorities in the California Legislature approved a landmark clean energy bill that many hoped would serve as a template for a national effort to reduce dependence on foreign oil and mitigate the threat of climate change.

Now a well-financed coalition of right-wing ideologues, out-of-state oil and gas companies and climate-change skeptics is seeking to effectively kill that law with an initiative on the November state ballot. The money men include Charles and David Koch, the Kansas oil and gas billionaires who have played a prominent role in financing the Tea Party movement.

The 2006 law, known as AB 32, is aimed at reducing California’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to 1990 levels by 2020 and by 80 percent at midcentury. To reach these targets, state agencies are drawing up regulations that would affect businesses and consumers across the board — requiring even cleaner cars, more energy-efficient buildings and appliances, and power plants that use alternative energy sources like wind instead of older fossil fuels.

The prospect that these rules could reduce gasoline consumption strikes terror into some energy companies. A large chunk of the $8.2 million raised in support of the ballot proposition has come from just two Texas-based oil and gas companies, Valero and Tesoro, which have extensive operations in California. The Koch brothers have contributed about $1 million, partly because they worry about damage to the bottom line at Koch Industries, and also because they believe that climate change is a left-wing hoax.

They have argued that the law will lead to higher energy costs and job losses, arguments that resonate with many voters in a state with a 12.4 percent unemployment rate. But this overlooks the enormous increase in investments in clean energy technologies — and the jobs associated with them — since the law was passed.

Overturning AB 32 would be another setback in the effort to fight climate change. The United States Senate has already scuttled President Obama’s goal of putting a price on carbon. The Environmental Protection Agency, while important, can only do so much. This leaves state and regional efforts as crucially important drivers — and if California pulls back, other states like New York that are trying to reduce emissions may do so as well.

The Kochs and their allies are disastrously wrong about the science, which shows that man-made emissions are largely responsible for global warming, and wrong about the economics. AB 32’s many friends — led by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California — have therefore mounted a spirited counterattack in defense of the law.

Another respected Republican, George Shultz — a cabinet member in both the Nixon and Reagan administrations — has signed on as a co-chairman of this effort. Mr. Shultz credits AB 32 for an unprecedented “outburst” of technological creativity and investment.

Who wins if this law is repudiated? The Koch brothers, maybe, but the biggest winners will be the Chinese, who are already moving briskly ahead in the clean technology race. And the losers? The people of California, surely. But the biggest loser will be the planet."
 

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Works for me! :D :thumbsup:
Untill gas costs 12 bucks a gallon... :rolling:


We didnt make it to 5 bucks a gallon before the...... GLOBAL..... economy collapsed.. :rolling:
 

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"If maintaining and improving their position requires that they convince the poor to loudly protest against their own social safety net by vilifying it as a socialist entitlement, then the billionaire Koch brothers feel they are entitled to do so.

By holding a stealth position behind an organization that seems to be a wide-spread and populist one, the Koch brothers strive to continue concentrating wealth and improving their political leverage. To do this, they deliberately frighten the most manipulable fringe of the conservative spectrum, the undereducated, the overly religious and the fiscally oppressed. The only way to continue building their leverage is to increase the number of undereducated, overly religious and disenfranchised citizens."



"It is time to deprogram the vast number of desperate people whose energies are being utilized to further causes that will only harm themselves.

The Kochs see the poor as stupid people to be used as fodder in their own crusade for increased profits. As long as we who disagree with them continue to attack members of the Tea Party as fools, we only serve to polarize and entrench them, supporting and furthering the work of our political adversaries. We must engage and embrace individuals."


Choice.....:D
 

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I see no problem.. :huh:

So they are convinced (like most of the country) that man made climate change is a left-wing redistribution scam (because it is) and see no real need to feed the nanny state unnecessarily.

I'm with them...
 

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Well well, so the Tea Party have their very own George Soros.:D
 

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'bout time. I really like the Libertarian platform.
 

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I see no problem.. :huh:

So they are convinced (like most of the country) that man made climate change is a left-wing redistribution scam (because it is) and see no real need to feed the nanny state unnecessarily.

I'm with them...
:thumbsup: Don’t forget … the World is also flat. :laughing:
 

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This tripe is left wing wishful thinking. They would love it if there was one head they could cut off and kill the monster. But, unfortunately for them, this is a true grass roots uprising that is growing larger every day. It doesn't just include Republicans. There are many Democrats and Libertarians involved also. No one knows if they will ever reach anything like a majority, but they are wreaking havoc in the Republican Party while scaring the Democrats to death. So far, I would say "mission accomplished".:laughing:
 

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This tripe is left wing wishful thinking. They would love it if there was one head they could cut off and kill the monster. But, unfortunately for them, this is a true grass roots uprising that is growing larger every day. It doesn't just include Republicans.

There are many Democrats and Libertarians involved also.


No one knows if they will ever reach anything like a majority, but they are wreaking havoc in the Republican Party while scaring the Democrats to death. So far, I would say "mission accomplished".:laughing:
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I see no problem.. :huh:

So they are convinced (like most of the country) that man made climate change is a left-wing redistribution scam (because it is) and see no real need to feed the nanny state unnecessarily.

I'm with them...
I dont see this as parallel with Ron Paul or core Libertarian beliefs....


Too far toward the deep end.
 

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This tripe is left wing wishful thinking. They would love it if there was one head they could cut off and kill the monster. But, unfortunately for them, this is a true grass roots uprising that is growing larger every day. It doesn't just include Republicans. There are many Democrats and Libertarians involved also. No one knows if they will ever reach anything like a majority, but they are wreaking havoc in the Republican Party while scaring the Democrats to death. So far, I would say "mission accomplished".:laughing:
Palin: "Republicans must unite"

Sounds like a Republican group to me.
 

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I dont see this as parallel with Ron Paul or core Libertarian beliefs....


Too far toward the deep end.
You can't see the forest for the trees.. that's your real issue.

Your too caught up in the ism's... you cannot look at anything objectively, fatal flaw for all leftist. :huh:
 

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This tripe is left wing wishful thinking. They would love it if there was one head they could cut off and kill the monster. But, unfortunately for them, this is a true grass roots uprising that is growing larger every day. It doesn't just include Republicans. There are many Democrats and Libertarians involved also. No one knows if they will ever reach anything like a majority, but they are wreaking havoc in the Republican Party while scaring the Democrats to death. So far, I would say "mission accomplished".:laughing:
These guys just want less taxes and social funds so they can get more for their products. Less regulation so they can dump cancer causing byproducts on people's backyard.

This will in turn, drive the middle class into oblivion, just like the recession did.

The Tea Party is flat out.....funded by the same force that wants them to work for free, and have no money in their pocket.

But of course.....most dont care, since they are boomers, who just want less taxes on their savings before they die.


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You can't see the forest for the trees.. that's your real issue.

Your too caught up in the ism's... you cannot look at anything objectively, fatal flaw for all leftist. :huh:
Sidestep...


Those are not Ron Paul's beliefs.

Not Libertarian beliefs.
 

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Sidestep...


Those are not Ron Paul's beliefs.

Not Libertarian beliefs.
:laughing: Like you would know.. :crazy:

I hope all the left keeps up like they are, trying to paint the tea parties as one movement with a single group behind them.. huge mistake, but when have the leftist ever gauged their opposition correctly?

The country seen what the left has to offer, and they are overwhelmingly rejecting it..
 

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:laughing: Like you would know.. :crazy:

I hope all the left keeps up like they are, trying to paint the tea parties as one movement with a single group behind them.. huge mistake, but when have the leftist ever gauged their opposition correctly?

The country seen what the left has to offer, and they are overwhelmingly rejecting it..
Sharia Law :thumbsup:
 

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The country seen what the left has to offer, and they are overwhelmingly rejecting it..
The left are fighting the worst recession since the depression.

The left would not need to spend a dime, raise taxes, or expand govt if there was no recession.


Apples/oranges.....

Too bad the people have short term memory and fall for the lies of the right..... again and again, and again....
 

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The left are fighting the worst recession since the depression.

The left would not need to spend a dime, raise taxes, or expand govt if there was no recession.


Apples/oranges.....

Too bad the people have short term memory and fall for the lies of the right..... again and again, and again....
:laughing: I can’t believe they don’t remember the Year 2008 … it wasn’t that long ago. :D
 
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