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Unions at Capitol Demand Illinois Gov't 'Raise Our Taxes'

In the late morning hours of April 21 dozens of rented buses streamed into Springfield, the Illinois capitol, and began spewing out hundreds of tax-gorged union thugs. It was as if the Illinois Hog Producers association had pulled up to the capitol and thrown wide the doors to their livestock carriers.

Some estimates say the unionists mounted some 15,000 participants all there to wave their professionally printed signs and wear their gang colors... er, I mean wearing their T-Shirts bearing their union's signature colors.

And what did they want? They wanted the Illinois legislature to raise taxes on everyone in the state so that those few union members could get even more undeserved bennies, richer pay scales and even higher pensions than anyone in the private sector could ever expect -- all things they already enjoy.

But, a protest is all American, right? These guys are just like the tea partiers, aren't they?

Not so much.

There is a major difference between the tea party protests against wild government spending that have sprung up all across the state and this protest by union thugs in Springfield. The thousands that have gathered all across the Land of Lincoln to protest government engorgement all went to their tea party protests because they were passionate and deeply concerned. On the other hand the union thugs that went to Springfield this week went there because they were paid to go.

Another big difference is that the tea party folks all went on their own while the union thugs were all bussed to the capitol, paid by union cash, and likely forced to attend by union overlords. The tea party movement is motivated by passion, respect for the system, and an obeisance to that American virtue of plucky individuality. The union thugs, though, were not motivated by any such American values, but more by European values.

Many of these whiners were Illinois teachers, folks who are already paid some of the highest teacher salaries in the country. The teachers sported pink and blue gang colors. Others were the purple shirted mobsters of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and green-shirted members of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), two groups that donate millions and millions of dollars every year to Obama and his Democrats.

And in a typical Orwellian move, they've named their drunken-sailor-spending coalition the "Responsible Budget Coalition." Yeah, riiight. More like the "Fox Watching the Hen House" coalition!

Of course, what they were protesting is that Illinois governments from big to small are finding that they must get rid of dead weight to balance wildly over stretched budgets because the money simply isn't there any more to fund these unionist's lavish, over paid lifestyles. And since these unions have given millions and millions of dollars in political donations -- donations that have by legislative fiat gotten them to some of the highest paid and compensated jobs in history -- they are a bit miffed that they are being expected to feel the same pinch economically that all us little people, those of us who are unfortunate enough to have to pay the bloated salaries of these public employees through our taxes, are forced to live through.

Imagine the gall of the taxpayers and their elected officials expecting unions to scale back their overly generous pay scales, too! Imagine anyone expecting those paid by tax dollars to have to feel the same economic hard times as the actually productive segment of society feels! Why it's criminal, I tell you!

But, at some level, I guess I can't blame the unions for getting mad. I mean, after all, they've paid millions of dollars to Illinois politicians in protection money and now they are being told that all their millions can't buy them the political favors that it used to. It must be an awfully rude awakening! I mean, if you can't pay off a politician to get unearned raises, higher bennies and bigger more lavish pensions than anyone in the private sector, what is the world coming to?

So, these union automatons and their thug overlords descended upon the state capitol to demand that all the rest of us pay higher taxes to keep them in the style they've become accustomed.

Nice work if you can get it.


Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/publius-forum/2010/04/union-thugs-at-capitol-demand-illinois-govt-raise-our-taxes.html#ixzz13hi94kRQ
 

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:agree:there's another difference, tea partiers want LESS from the government, greedy unions want even MORE. The answer is privitization. :thumbsup:

Unions were great when workers were getting abused and needed help. But now public unions are abusing all of us! :WTF
 

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Unions were great when workers were getting abused and needed help. But now public unions are abusing all of us! :WTF
I understand the purpose of unions 90 years ago when worker were being abused in the private sector. They caused Government to step in to make sure working conditions were safe and workers were treated fairly.

They were a bridge between the government and the private company for the workers. Therefore, their goal (and purpose for existence) is to help protect the workers from unscrupulous individuals that own and run the companies that employ them.

Well, if the workers are employed by the Government what purpose do they serve? To protect the workers from...? The Government that's there to protect them.. from... the Government? :huh:
 

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I understand the purpose of unions 90 years ago when worker were being abused in the private sector. They caused Government to step in to make sure working conditions were safe and workers were treated fairly.

They were a bridge between the government and the private company for the workers. Therefore, their goal (and purpose for existence) is to help protect the workers from unscrupulous individuals that own and run the companies that employ them.
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Well, if the workers are employed by the Government what purpose do they serve? To protect the workers from...? The Government that's there to protect them.. from... the Government? :huh:
It's all one big slap-happy family, and one big exclusive fraternity. It's actually morphed into a conduit for federal funding to go directly to the unions, before it has a chance to go through the public sector.

And the union ranks have grown exponntially since Obama became POTUS.

All this and some people fail to see that Obama's administration is viewed as anti-business.
 

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One old Veteran and union member's opinion...

I think you all better step back and take a good look at your country before opening your mouth. The average wage of a vet returning from duty is $8.50 an hour. They is barely above poverty level for a family of two, add 1 child and their $2000 below poverty level. Thats considering the company they work for even lets then work 40 hrs a week. Most to day limit the workers to 32 hours or less a week. To keep them in the temporary category. Is this fair. the companies hire more workers for Xmas season and cut hr for the year round workers to lower expenses. They know the year round workers will not complain because if the do they will be fired...


A young union worker starts at $15.00 an hr he can have 3 children before going to the poverty level. But at least he doesn't have to worry about getting his hrs cut, Because he has all his fellow workers to support him. He also pays dues to support his organization. These dues pay for things like the lost time wages and the cost of travel(bus's) to get to rallies to support his cause.

These Thug as you so freely call them are your friends on this forum, the middle class tax payers, The people that you meet at the PTA meetings(I doubt if you know about that, to organized for you) These are also the people you see giving to and working for charities to collect money for the needy in our country, because all the tax money is going to Foreign aid, and for bailout to the same companies that do not allow unions and don't pay a wage high enough to keep people above poverty.


You say "Imagine the gall of the taxpayers " Well let me tell you ass holes these thug as you call them are the Taxpayers...

And we are just about threw paying the bill. And when we Union babyboomers get threw spending our retirement and savings, the money is going to be gone from the banks the stock market. China will have no one with money left to buy there products, and the government will have no one left to tax, Because We the people will all be in poverty, We the people won't have any money to pay tax's.

So I think you are 180 degs out. Union have not out lived there usefulness, This country is just to the point where it needs them most.

These union workers are the one that build the fine automobiles you drive around in. These union workers are the ones that build the planes you fly in. These union workers are the one that build the big houses you live in. They are the ones that built the communication system you have, and contrary to Al gores belief they are the ones that invented the Internet.

These are the people that get your food to you,and protect your streets at night. These people gave you all the luxury you enjoy today, The people that gave you the freedom you have.

I would rethink my position if I were you. and then if you feel the same way I have only one thing to say.

 

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I don't think he was speaking about all unions, but rather, specifically about public sector employment unions. That was the point of my particular post.

I don't agree with everything all unions do, nor do I agree with everything management does. There needs to be some give and take from both sides.

Public sector employee unions on the other hand, I see no purpose for other than to serve for the expansion of government. By serving as a funnel for tax dollars to flow to the candidates that will serve and grow government.
 

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I think you all better step back and take a good look at your country before opening your mouth. The average wage of a vet returning from duty is $8.50 an hour. They is barely above poverty level for a family of two, add 1 child and their $2000 below poverty level. Thats considering the company they work for even lets then work 40 hrs a week. Most to day limit the workers to 32 hours or less a week. To keep them in the temporary category. Is this fair. the companies hire more workers for Xmas season and cut hr for the year round workers to lower expenses. They know the year round workers will not complain because if the do they will be fired...


A young union worker starts at $15.00 an hr he can have 3 children before going to the poverty level. But at least he doesn't have to worry about getting his hrs cut, Because he has all his fellow workers to support him. He also pays dues to support his organization. These dues pay for things like the lost time wages and the cost of travel(bus's) to get to rallies to support his cause.

These Thug as you so freely call them are your friends on this forum, the middle class tax payers, The people that you meet at the PTA meetings(I doubt if you know about that, to organized for you) These are also the people you see giving to and working for charities to collect money for the needy in our country, because all the tax money is going to Foreign aid, and for bailout to the same companies that do not allow unions and don't pay a wage high enough to keep people above poverty.


You say "Imagine the gall of the taxpayers " Well let me tell you ass holes these thug as you call them are the Taxpayers...

And we are just about threw paying the bill. And when we Union babyboomers get threw spending our retirement and savings, the money is going to be gone from the banks the stock market. China will have no one with money left to buy there products, and the government will have no one left to tax, Because We the people will all be in poverty, We the people won't have any money to pay tax's.

So I think you are 180 degs out. Union have not out lived there usefulness, This country is just to the point where it needs them most.

These union workers are the one that build the fine automobiles you drive around in. These union workers are the ones that build the planes you fly in. These union workers are the one that build the big houses you live in. They are the ones that built the communication system you have, and contrary to Al gores belief they are the ones that invented the Internet.

These are the people that get your food to you,and protect your streets at night. These people gave you all the luxury you enjoy today, The people that gave you the freedom you have.

I would rethink my position if I were you. and then if you feel the same way I have only one thing to say.



http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144497&highlight=boomers&page=3



duneripperxx said:
"When all the Boomers die off and their equity gets absorbed by hc and bills, taxes, ect....

....then the **** is really really really gonna hit the fan.....BAD.
Cause all the bubbles inflated by boomers will burst.

It's gonna make this recession look like a holiday."
 

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All due respect...

We assholes account for 77% of the workforce. You account for 33%... and 18 percent of that... is federal and state. I feel that your importance to the entire economy is over exaggerated. -Especially when you factor in the 18% that is solely relied upon the 82% (including your tax dollars) for it's income. In addition... your organization is responsible for ridiculous amount of tax dollars going to the incomes and benefits for it's members. $42 a ****ing hour... for a house painter. That same painter would make $12 to $15 an hour in a competitive arena... saving me and you and your union members tax dollars... allowing for more employment.

Where the hell is it written... that the world owes you a living ?

You know I dig you brother -and the respect I have for you compels me to be polite to you... and temper my tongue and my tone. Thugs was overstated... as this was to be about the upper management and bosses within these unions... not the worker. The worker will take as much as he is given... as would I or anyone else. But... to forgo any blame to our current economic system by those same union members... is dishonest.

I've got nothing but love and respect for you, brother.
 

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Sorry but you stepped on one of the few nerves I have left working. As for the State and Federal workers union. I was involved in some of the original fights to get them organized, and it was not done with any tax payers money. There working hours, pay and conditions were deplorable. They were some of the lowest payed and worst treated workers in the country.

As you know our government works on contracts to the lowest bidder. These people would bid the contract, Skim off the profit, and then treat the people they hired like ****. And most were poverty level poor and ethnic people that had very little education, and no way to stand up for them selves.

I can not answer for the corruption in the upper regions of the union.( they are no different than the top levels of corporations or government) But the people you and I see are good people just like you and I.

You, I, and they are just like 99% of the people in this world. Just trying to give our families the best life we can. While the other 1% keep us bickering between our selves, While they get all the money and we do all the work.

I don't believe in socialism or a free ride. I believe in a fare days pay for a fair days work.

I do not believe any one should profit from another mans labor...
 

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No, no... the apology is mine to offer. The subject was a thoughtless maneuver with only one side being contemplated. I'm on the other side of the union stick. There is lots of work out there... if you are union or paying scale. I'm too small of a company to do either. So... we are forced to push funds back and forth between us... according to who is most in need. It's nerve racking. Even if I were to attempt to bid on and take one of these jobs on... the harassment by the local union would destroy me. They harass the workers... lauch investigative probes in to pay and hours -shutting down the sight... and it takes 8 to 18 months to get a hearing... just to show that you were paying correctly to begin with... all because we don't carry the union label and pay our dues. My company could never survive that.

There has got to be a middle ground, right ?
 
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