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1996 LT4, going to build the engine, need opinions please!

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So I have been out of the hobby a while but a bottom end noise has forced me to return (willingly) to the hobby! I tried posting this on another forum im a member of and got ZERO responses. Then I found you guys! Im hoping there is more traffic here so cut and paste:

Ok, so unfortunately my 50k mile clean 96 LT-4 has what sounds like a wrist pin or piston skirt issue in the #1 cylinder, so we are going to be pulling the motor. As far as im aware, this is the original all stock motor but we wont know for sure until tear down obviously.

The plan is to make this a pretty nasty build. Since the car is a weekend toy, mileage and drivability is very low on the list. Everything about the car is for gear head enjoyment so loud, lumpy cammed and obnoxious is high on the list.

Talking to Lingenfelter, they still offer CNC porting of the OEM LT-4 heads and intake, but are willing to hand port match a more modern intake to their heads (I was looking at the Edelbrock Air Gap as one option). I like the stealthy idea of OEM appearing heads/intake vs AFR or DART, etc. But with a big nasty cam, small nitrous plate system and long tubes with no cats, this wont likely be "stealthy" in any other way, so im more concerned with performance numbers. They emailed me a data sheet on their CNC numbers:

.600 valve lift 92% on 300 scale: 276 cfm intake
.600 valve lift 67.5% on 316 scale: 213 cfm exhaust
.650 valve lift 93.5% on 300 scale: 280.5 cfm intake
.650 valve lift 68.5% on 316 scale 216.4 cfm exhaust
202 cc intake runners

Anyone here have personal experience with their setup? Im balancing the time/effort and cost with just buying a complete set of heads from the competition (DART, AFR, Edelbrock, etc.) who offer even larger CC's, but im not sure the limit on the ported stock/Edelbrock/Miniram intakes? No point in putting huge heads/cam in if I dont have a reasonable intake option to feed it.

Second part, the bottom end. Id love to put a bigger 4340 (383 ish or more) crank and some long H-beam rods, but on the last build I did on an 88 TPI motor, I had to do some serious block and rod bolt clearancing and id rather pass on that this time around. This was mostly due to a "core shift" issue on that block, but how common is this on the LT series motors? This will be my first time inside these. I hate to bore out perfectly good cylinders to add displacement, much prefer doing it via stroke, but these motors also make power much higher in the RPM's than was reasonable on the TPI motors.

Since this is a 6 speed car, we will be re-gearing the diff (and adding a friggn drain plug, I want to CHOKE GM for that stupid decision) while the motor and trans is out of the car (likely 4.11 or higher). The plan is for bias ply's for the track but im running C6 Vette OEM 18/19" rims for the street. Anyone gone as high a 4.56's?

It looks like the trans needs to come out before the motor can, due to input shaft length. What is your guys preferred method? I dont have a high enough garage roof to pull the motor inside, so we will have to roll the car into the drive way to pull the motor. So it will be tricky to lift the car to take out the trans first. Im hoping there is a trick that im not ware of???

That Dual Mass flywheel is going in the trash as well so flywheel/clutch recommendations would be very helpful. Ive been out of the hobby for a while so im out of date and stuck with reading tons of many years old forum posts! =)
 
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Thanks a lot already guys! I could really CHOKE the guy at GM that decided to bring back the LT-1 and LT-4 designations!!! Its really making my searches EXTRAORDINARILY more difficult!!!

No Chinese junk!!!

Im scared to say my budget is not really limited, but im also 36 and debt free for a reason! Im smart with my cash but had already estimated about $5k just for the motor.

I was disappointed to find out there are no strait cut, faceplated gear options for the ZF. I was told to go T-56 for that but I know the shifters are in different places so Im not interested.

My plan was to spend a good chunk of my cash in the rotating assembly as I always do. Everything else can be changed out as needed without pulling the short block.

I dont mind a nasty cam one bit, my wife and I are both big time gear heads and love a rough nasty idle. Ill even run a vacuum pump if I have to for the brakes, but I dont think thats going to be necessary.

I was considering leaving this thing a 350 due to RPM potential of these motors over the L-98's even before it was suggested here. Im already having issues just finding any crank options however! 4340 for both the crank and rods (H-beam most likely). I considered titanium until I saw the price. What a rip off! My dad has run aluminum rods for years in street/strip cars but I dont trust them. I do like to run the longest rod I can fit so my 383 L-98 had 6". Any suggestions there?

The aluminum flywheel and much better clutch was already on the list. I have also seen the conversion option to go traditional push rather then pull, what do you guys think of that option?

The car already has X-pipe and muffler deletes, but is still stock manifolds and cats. I was already planning on no-smog long tubes and likely some sort of strait through mufflers (after the cats are out im not sure ill like strait pipe, but really depends on resonance more than sound level as we both like the current "noise level").

1963SS the part number lists would be totally awesome! Like I said earlier, my searching has been a huge PITA with the modern LT-1 and LT-4 designations!

Man you guys got me on the head recommendations! I wasnt expecting such a range of options. In fact I almost just decided the Lingenfelter CNC job but now Im going to have to fire up a spread sheet and get all the numbers for each option! Ive got me work cut out for me it seems!

OPTISPARK is something I should have brought up sooner. Is the MSD billet the best option? I see some talk about electric water pumps as well. If those are still being made I REALLY like that idea. Being able to leave the pump and fans on when the engine is off is AWESOME in the staging lanes or after dyno pulls!

Im guessing mono-blade as well?
 
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I'll bet the guys that have the early 70's LT1 said the same thing when our LT1's came out. :laughing:
Yeah well that was before the internet right? LOL

I'll dig up a couple of build sheets for you and get back to you this week. The stock opti is the best option. I've known several folk that have had the MSD fail after a very short time. You can check with the folks at Torquehead for a 24x conversion kit that does away with the Opti completely or the Bailey LTCC kit is a bunch less expensive and removes all the high voltage from the Opti. No carbon flying around and no ozone from the high voltage keeps the optical sensor a lot cleaner. I've never had a failure with the LTCC installed.
STOCK OPTI is the best option?????

Ive seen some sort of CNP conversion that was interesting but seemed way over priced for what it was.

You really won't need the monoblade. Just a good 58mm will do the trick. A 48mm flows about 750 CFM, 52mm about 850 CFM and a 58mm is about 1000 CFM. Monoblade probably isn't the best option. A bigger concern would be the MAF that flows just over 700CFM. It's going to be the limiting factor on a big horsepower engine. It may be reasonable to just get a 58mm and then get a speed density tune. That will do away with the restrictive MAF.
I know I have a 1000 cfm Lingenfelter laying around somewhere but its a TPI, are they compatible?

I run electric water pumps on all my (3) LT1/4's. I use the Meziere that is 55 GPM or whatever. It's the biggest one. It does a great job at the track and keeps the engine cooler when idling in stop-and-go summer traffic in the hot cities. I've never had an electric pump failure even though I do carry a spare.......just in case.
Ill have to look, last i checked they discontinued the Meziere. But if not thats awesome at 55 gpm! Is there a piggy back option?

Good choice on not using the aluminum rods. I've never used them for reasons of longevity and also because they typically have more "meat" on them and I was concerned about clearance issues with the 383's.
Yeah he swears he ran them for YEARS without issue on a titanium valve train engine. But im too skeptical! Like you said too, if I had to clearance I-beams on a 383 i'd HATE to try to fit aluminums in there!!
 
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Well im now less decided than ever after talking to a programmer.

Being limited to 7200 rpm sucks, but apparently my options are extremely limited unless I revert back to a 1995 OBDI computer. =(
 
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Check out the Torquehead 24x conversion. It completely does away with the Opti and uses a LS computer that's pre-wired for your harness. No 7200 RPM limit. Why do you want to go more than 7200? Thinking of running NASCAR? :D

Just get a Callies Magnum XL crank, Mahle Powerpak pistons and some Lunati rods. The pistons only weigh about 450 grams, the crank is about 10 pounds lighter than stock and will handle any power you want. Throw on a good McLeod Street Twin clutch with n aluminum flywheel and the engine will rev like a dentist's drill.
HAHAHAHA

Well I dont want to Siamese sleeve the block or bore perfectly clean cylinders just for displacement which limits me to about 383 ci. Id like to be in the high 10's all motor. There isnt any reasonable frontal area to have a usable air-air intercooler, so turbos and blowers are ruled out as I wont run a water tank.

So if I cant get into the 10s ill squeeze whats necessary to do so. But making up for displacement with RPMs seems most reasonable.

Im very glad you recommended those guys! After talking to them, running the Gen III LSx computer setup sounds like the golden ticket! 8200 rpm limit gives me much more room to play!

Talking to Scat they are confident their all forged 383 kit will run 8k. Now I have to decide on heads and what solid lifter cam I need.

AFR was reluctant to give me a head recommendation or power potential without cams specs, which seemed really odd?

Maybe they didnt take me serious about running a big nasty solid roller??
 
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Mcleod Twin disc clutch has been know to fail at 7000-8000 rpm.
Too Much Mass.
Blows.

Scattershield needed. Must have.
Blown clutch will cut your feet off of decapitate you.
Body Bag required then.


Single disc better.
Sintered iron or Copper bronze puck.


Billet steel or Billet aluminum flywheel needed.
Factory part is junk for racing.


All modern 5 & 6 speeds will blow up at 8000 rpm.


Have to Revert back to the Muncie 4-speed.


Others that will take is Ford Top Loader.
Chrysler Hemi 883A 4- speed.
I was told to switch to a T-56 so I could get face plated strait cut gears, but for the cost of a fully built T-56 ($7k ish) im very close to the cost of a sequential ($10k).

Im open to titanium valve train but the rods seem over kill? I know of 11k rpm motors running them though.